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Humiliate, Punish ! Why Not Use Waterlogging as a Detterment ?


P-maker Joined on 30 déc. 2007 Total posts: 12	Humiliate, Punish ! Why Not Use Waterlogging as a Detterment ? lundi 11 février 2008 19:41 Recently a mass mailing has been received from "webmaster" informing: "No amateur may participate in any unsanctioned or unregistered competitions and tournaments within or outside Canada. Unsanctioned or unregistered shall mean those competitions and tournaments which are not sanctioned or recognized by IDSF, IDSF member and affiliate federations, CADA or CADA regional member associations. Amateurs who violate this rule will be suspended, without further notice, for a maximum period of One (1) year effective from the date of such infraction from all privileges including but not limited to their privilege of being registered in the Canadian Registry of Amateur Dancers and their privilege of competing in any DanceSport Championship and tournament sanctioned or recognized by IDSF, IDSF member and affiliate federations, CADA or CADA regional member associations. Their names will be published on the CADA & OADA website. Webmaster " WEBMASTER ? Is WEBMASTER responsible for passing on such information ? Is this a bonafide e-mail, or a SPAM ? No longer, those who visit Asia and enter a dance comeptition and ignorant, or just unaware and by mistake break "THE RULE " May be suspended, BUT now WILL be suspended, without further notice. How does this encourage proliferation of dancesport throughout the third world coutries in Asia ? Is this good for dancesport ? Compared with USA threatening with the reintatement of the death penalty (as a form of punishment for some of their 'detainees') , the severity of threat of having your name published on the CADA & OADA websites sounds incredibly cruel YET worth testing ! Reply Quote
jazz Joined on 07 avr. 2005 Total posts: 223	Re: Humiliate, Punish ! Why Not Use Waterlogging as a Detterment ? mercredi 13 février 2008 15:09 The identical iformation is also in OADA's official web site. Don't you think it is a good thing that 'webmaster' as you call the informer, forwards a mass mailing to the 'deserving' members so that they can pass the word around. Rules are Rules, and if you know what cannot do, the lesser the chance you can plead ignorance as your defence should you break the rule. I see nothing wrong with your e-mail, and if the organisation WILL instead MAY..., it just shows their resolve which is a good thing ! Be happy and go make a P PS Did you mean " Waterboarding ? "Waterboarding - a form of torture that consists of immobilizing a person on their back, with the head inclined downward, and pouring water over the face Reply Quote
quicktime2 Joined on 31 août 2007 Total posts: 79	Re: Humiliate, Punish ! Why Not Use Waterlogging as a Detterment ? jeudi 14 février 2008 08:17 Right on P-maker This "mass mailing" by the "webmaster" shows once again how pathetic the Canadian amateur executive really is. Now they send out a "policy" announcement but don't even sign it. It comes from the "webmaster" – whoever she is. Last time they sent out a press release addressed to all competitors in the world and they signed it with a whole bunch of names. Of course none of the signatories knew they had signed it. But the group running amateur affairs didn't see anything wrong with that. Not surprising I suppose. After all they are the group that made a motion to stop the IDSF policy director from giving his report at the last IDSF AGM. At the command of their leader no doubt. Fortunately for Canada, Quebec seems to be getting it right and refused to put up with this nonsense. Don't CADA amateurs wonder why this rule the executive seem to be so proud of is not observed in the United Kingdom or in the USA? Neither of these countries prohibits its amateurs from dancing in competitions sanctioned by a WDC member organization. What is CADA so frightened of? I grant you that the CDDSC is very good but would CADA really lose all their competitors once they had an opportunity to attend a CDDSC competition? By the way, the CADA executive did not ask the competitors (the only ones affected by this rule) if they were in favour of the policy. It's just do as I say or suffer the consequences. And amateurs, don't hold your breath waiting for your executive to hold a referendum or a vote to find out if this is what you want. It will never happen. They've already been told what to do. Let's hope the amateurs will eventually elect some officials who will work for them and not the present crew whose sole function seems to be to follow orders from high.. Reply Quote
P-maker Joined on 30 déc. 2007 Total posts: 12	Re: Humiliate, Punish ! Why Not Use Waterlogging as a Detterment ? samedi 16 février 2008 00:27 Now back up, wipe your nose off and hear me: I have nothing bad to say about the system, and the Quebec CDDSC organizers are in a deep trouble. You say they are very good ? Why not very very very good ? They really made a mess out of dance in Canada, tried to cash out Canadian dancers, tried to duplicate already existing system and take over, but mismanaged it and now they just hold on the tails of WDC coat hoping for a miracle. If that's good, very good, I am with you. It may interest you that anybody is free and welcome to become a working voluteer for OADA and CADA, but as long as members stay away and miss meetings and do not vote, the volunteers have no other choice but to propose and carry out their ideas on their own. Sure, nobody is perfect, but after recovering and cleaning your nose, stop foaming about CADA. We both will be more comfortable. If you are satisfied with what is left of once mighty CDDSC so be it, it is not worth waving a flag unless it is white. Reply Quote
quicktime2 Joined on 31 août 2007 Total posts: 79	Re: Humiliate, Punish ! Why Not Use Waterlogging as a Detterment ? samedi 16 février 2008 04:25 You have nothing bad to say about the system? Well how about the actions of CADA. Are you in favour of CADA suspending amateurs who participate in unsanctioned competitions? Your previous post did not seem to agree with that. Do you think policy documents should be distributed by email unsigned? I think not. If you want to reply to a post stick to the topic. Your apparent fetish with cleaning noses is of no interest to most people. Also the term I think you wanted to use in your topic is waterboarding, although you are probably more familiar with being waterlogged. Reply Quote
jive2004 Joined on 02 nov. 2006 Total posts: 111	Re: Humiliate, Punish ! Why Not Use Waterlogging as a Detterment ? samedi 16 février 2008 16:08 quicktime2: You have nothing bad to say about the system? Well how about the actions of CADA. Are you in favour of CADA suspending amateurs who participate in unsanctioned competitions? Hello you all. While ignoring the hostility and unpleasantness steaming from the hot conversation, let me say that it all depends on the intent. If a dancer spends vacation or holidays in a place where there is an atractive competition offered and attends such dancers should not be treated the same way as one who despite advance warnings, purpously, and intentionaly attends an unsanctined/unregistered = forbidden to attend competition. Like it or not, and Jazz said it: Rules are Rules. Some believe the Rules are here to be broken, this is fine so long as you are willing to face the consequences, defend your action and be prepared to get the worse end of it. What is a more serious offence, intentionaly dance in a forbiden ( by your associations ) competition, or, take a diet preparation, and later find you lost a World Title, because the diet preparation contained a prohibited/restricted substance, something unknown to you ? If you want to belong to a system, you must be prepared to obide by their Rules, and if you wish then challenge the Rules if they make no sense to you, and persvade others to change the rule, or make/allow exceptions. If you had no opportunity to practice and challenge in many offered competitions, fine, challenge the system, complain and participate wherever you want, but if you have planty of opportunity to dance /compete in many of the offered events. and you decide not to, you will have little sympathy from your organisation if you support a different organisation which is considered hostile to your own. If you flipped burgers for McDonald and supported openly Burger King, you would not be employed by McDonald a long time. If you worked for Ford, and drove VW you would not be allowed to park in front of the plant, you'd be way out of the sight, and treated as an outcast. Besides, whoever 'webmaster' is OADA afixed the announcement for the benefit of the "sensitive " readers, and made it official in their web site. Reply Quote
quicktime2 Joined on 31 août 2007 Total posts: 79	Re: Humiliate, Punish ! Why Not Use Waterlogging as a Detterment ? dimanche 17 février 2008 07:51 jive2004 You said "If you want to belong to a system, you must be prepared to abide by their Rules…" Fair enough. If the rules pertain to the system. In a competition there are rules that must be followed, dress, tempo etc. There is no problem here. The rules pertain to the activity. In this case dancesport. But this is completely different than a rule that says if you want to belong to my association, you cannot belong to another. Or dance in another Associations competitions. This infringes on an individuals rights and freedoms. Most countries have laws that guarantee Freedom of Association. Have you ever heard of a golf club saying you can belong to our club but then you can't play elsewhere? Or Sears saying if you join the Sears Club you may not shop at the Bay? Do you think if you wish to compete in dancesport you should sign away your freedom? You don't have to in any other sport. An Association can make a rule that only their members can dance in their competitions. That is one thing. And if that were happening here wouldn't be such a furor. And exactly what is it that CADA is afraid of? I thought we believed that competition was healthy and led to improvements. Reply Quote
jive2004 Joined on 02 nov. 2006 Total posts: 111	Re: Humiliate, Punish ! Why Not Use Waterlogging as a Detterment ? dimanche 17 février 2008 16:48 I see your point and I yield Quicktime2 Reply Quote
quicktime2 Joined on 31 août 2007 Total posts: 79	Re: Humiliate, Punish ! Why Not Use Waterlogging as a Detterment ? lundi 18 février 2008 02:29 thank you jive2004. Take a look at cddsc.com for a good article on where we are heading in dancesport. Reply Quote
sambatogo Joined on 29 août 2007 Total posts: 93	Re: Humiliate, Punish ! Why Not Use Waterlogging as a Detterment ? mardi 19 février 2008 23:50 Quicktime 2 you are right on as usual. Putting a clear face on this disturbing matter. It is one thing for CADA to control itrs members in such a way if they are stupid enough to put up with it. But it is quite another to make rules to their members who are not dancing in CADA events!! This is just a further act of domination and control of the worst kind. They know that they can get away with it for now, but for how much longer? CADA has a great reputation for being Militant, Dictatorial and Threatening. The real question is why do so many CADA members put up with it? Because they are too scared to say any different, thats why!! A shame that their system is so very, very broken with ever decreasing members as time goes by. Self destruction in the hands of the long time CADA excecutive. Sambatogo. Reply Quote